# To put your Fordist and Neoliberal in
Date: 2024-04-22

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To put your Fordist and Neoliberal in

*End Times*

*Elites, Counter-Elites, and the Path of Political Disintegration*

terms there is either more or less wealth pump and corresponding elite iron rule.

Which is again to say that the degree of Capitalism matters. Even in a world where there is no wage labour at all, elites can still exert more or less control on our daily lives.

Imagine I want to volunteer as a mathematician but the mathematicians don't think I'm good enough at math and I end up volunteering in the garden instead. No wages, no forced labour and yet I could still be under elite thumbs.

So while I think your concern about not settling for intermediate results is valid, ultimately all results are intermediate and we just have to get used to always trying to do better.